Possible to edit Cymbal Choke length?

[Luke Gibson]

I’m in the middle of switching over from AD2 to SP3 overall I much prefer how SD3 sounds, but wondering if there is a way to alter the cut off for the cymbal mutes which to me sound a bit on the short side.

In AD2 the cymbal muting key didn’t actually make its own sound, it worked as a point you would place after the cymbal hit to choose where the cymbal would choke which was a nice flexibility in the sound as I quite like doing double cymbal chokes with slightly misaligned choke offs for a bit more realism.

I also liked that cymbal choke length were relative to the track speed, and I’m concerned the excessively fast cut off point of the default cymbal mutes in SD3 might sound out of place in a tracks, parts with a slower tempo.

Cheers

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[Henrik]

You can control the chokes of cymbals in many ways in SD3.

• You can have that sound that muting does, the small “ring”. It’s called Mute Tail in SD3.
  • How the Mute Tail articulation is enabled is decided in the property box for mute tail triggers.
    • By default it’s triggered by Aftertouch
      • This is controlled in the area beneath the MIDI notes in the Grid Editor
    • Can be changed to being triggered with note length, so when the note ends the cymbal is choked
      • If you select this, you can right click that instrument in the Grid Editor and select “Show Length” to control the chokings.
• You can also just fade out the sound
  • In the Level Envelope, click the Release dot and select what should trigger it; Aftertouch or Note Off. Then you can control in the same way as described above in the Grid Editor.

Please reply back here if you need further assistance, since it’s a lot of information 🙂

Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
Toontrack

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[Olof Westman]

You can also MIDI map the Tail articulation and hit it with a NoteOn to mute the cymbal. This is unusual but is occasionally used by people who cannot use any of the two main alternatives. E-drummers with lesser gear, I should think.

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[Nip]

Good stuff, thanks.

Looking in manual on “choke” not much is mentioned, and just aftertouch.

Is polyphonic required, or channel aftertouch is the most common what I’ve seen?

 

Can you create an articulation emulation like doing filter envelope on a cymbal – if not present?

I did long ago in a sampler and DFH, and found that to be best sounding that way.

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[Luke Gibson]

Haven’t been able to test it yet, but when I do I’ll let you know if I run into any issue, thank you for your help 🙂

[Henrik]

Nip wrote:

Is polyphonic required, or channel aftertouch is the most common what I’ve seen?

• Both can be used. You’ll find the curves for both in the bottom area of the Grid Editor.

Nip wrote:

Can you create an articulation emulation like doing filter envelope on a cymbal – if not present?

• You can trigger a faded release with either aftertouch or note length. This is changed in the Envelope box in the drums tab.
  • If you wish to use length you should also enable Show Note Length in the grid editor for those instruments (in Grid Editor; right click the instrument name to show that option).

Henrik Ekblom - User Experience Designer
Toontrack

• This post was modified 5 years ago by Henrik.

[Nip]

Thank you.

I am not using any midi inside SD, just in daw. So hope I can just do it there.

And for the record, I remembered wrong, I was reading edrum engine manual and found just about nothing about choke – your manual is just fine, once getting a pdf from it.

I will experiment and use one pad for chokes with note length – and hope I can do that on a single note/instrument and not the entire SD preset where all notes are set to be 0.3ms gate. Possibly need to map to unique cymbal unless you can duplicate entry that longer note means it is to be choked when note-off(or velocity zero note-on).

[Grambo413]

So is it possible to edit the cymbal mute tail to “ring” longer? I need the cymbal mute tail to sound less abrupt, while still maintaining that “grabbed” sound.

[Bear-Faced Cow]

The mute tail is a sample. If you want a longer ring, use the envelope and trigger the release. You can set the release time to a choke more suitable for your needs.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Rolomoto]

thanks for all the help!

Superior Drummer 3.1.7 EZBass 1.0.5
macOS Mojave 10.14.5
Logic 10.5.1

[Benjamin_33]

Can you control this stuff in ezdrummer 2?

[Bear-Faced Cow]

No you cannot. EZ Drummer is more for mix ready kits with low footprint where Superior Drummer is more for shaping the raw recorded samples.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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