SD 3, Library Location, Updates and SDX, EZX Installations

[wphall]

Howdy- Just upgraded to SD3 and its freaking amazingly great. Nice work.

But, I’ve run into some confusion around installation, updates, and sound libraries with the software is on an external drive.

Setup:
– Fresh install of SD on a fresh MacBook Pro 2015 with an SSD
– Downloaded SD3, all the libraries in addition to the SD2.0 Avatar core library and installed them on my local computer.
– BUT, due to space, I then copied the ‘Superior Drummer’ and the ‘EZDrummer’ folders from MacintoshHD>Library>Application Support to an external drive. I put both of the folders into a folder called ‘Toontrack Drum Libraries’.
– I then changed the library location path within SD3. Everything seems to work fine.
– I have NOT installed EZDrummer or any of the libraries yet.

Problem:
– When I open the Toontrack product manager, I see there are updates to a couple of the sound libraries.
– When I try to install them, they are trying to install to the local Toontrack folders within MacintoshHD>Library>Application Support>EZDrummer folder – What is really strange is that even the SD3 libraries are trying to install to this local EZDrummer folder.
– When I try to download and install any of my EZXs, they are also still trying to install into the local library folder.

So, the question is, how does Product Manager with when SD3 libraries are all on an external drive?

Thanks!

2015 MacBook Pro: 16/512ssd, EZ2, SD2, SD3

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[John]

Hi,

what you should have started with, is moving the ‘EZdrummer’ folder in the only way supported, please see this FAQ:
https://www.toontrack.com/faq/how-do-i-move-the-sounds-for-ezdrummer-2/

This requires EZdrummer 2 to be installed first but by doing it this way, your subsequent installs of EZX:s and Toontrack MIDI will install correctly to your external drive and the Product Manager will read all products correctly. As will SD3.

The SDX libraries can be linked to manually, as you have discovered.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[John]

Hmmm… I just realised you wrote you hadn’t installed EZdrummer 2 on a fresh system.
You weren’t able to Edit the path to EZdrummer EZX:s and Toontrack MIDI at the bottom of the Settings > Libraries page in SD3?

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[wphall]

Howdy John- Thanks for the help.

Yes, you’re correct. I haven’t installed EZD2. And sorry, I forgot to mention that I did indeed change the SDX settings within SD3.

BUT… I accidentally restarted my machine this morning and then launched Product Manager. Now, PM is showing that I don’t have any updates to install (strange). I had the update installers downloaded from last night so I launched them. Now it is showing the correct path in the installer. I guess do to the restart. When I went to bed last night, this was definitely not the case. The installers performed just fine.

So I guess this means its working ok? I’ll keep bumping around with it by installing the SDXs and see what happens.

Thanks!
– Bill

2015 MacBook Pro: 16/512ssd, EZ2, SD2, SD3

[John]

If you see all your expansions and Toontrack MIDI in SD3 and PM is displaying things correctly, it’s working.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[wphall]

Hey- Sorry for the delay…. kids and family got in the way of my drum time.

Everything appears except for the default EZ2 kit. Not a huge deal.

But, since everything is now up and running, I’m having brutal audio cutting/choppiness. Done zero troubleshooting. Only mentioned it in case you’ve seen this in the stand alone (not in a DAW) product. I quickly ran SD2 in Garageband for comparison (ok, so I’ve done very minimal troubleshooting) and there was no audio interruptions. Not sure why yet. Let me if there’s low hanging fruit I can look for.

Thx!

2015 MacBook Pro: 16/512ssd, EZ2, SD2, SD3

[John]

Hi,

the EZdrummer 2 Modern/Vintage kits are installed when you run the full EZdrummer 2 installer.

Audio cuts etc. can be due to too low Buffer size settings in your Settings > Audio/MIDI Setup > Audio Device > Buffer Size

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[wphall]

Thanks John. I’ll play with it. Its an i7 2015 MBP 16/512 with external audio interface so upping the buffer should be fine.

Thanks. Will report back when I can finally get behind the kit.

BTW- SD 3 is overwhelmingly amazing. Killer job!
– Bill

2015 MacBook Pro: 16/512ssd, EZ2, SD2, SD3

[wphall]

Hey John- Finally had a chance to sit down and really dig in.

I’m definitely getting consistent audio jitter when playing “live”.

Setup:
– 2015 13″ MBP 3.1Ghz i7 16BG/512 10.13.4 – This machine was just wiped with a fresh install of OS X with very little added besides SD3
– Plantronics USB to Audio (just a basic USB to Audio Out Interface- Maybe this is the problem)
– Roland UM-ONE USB Midi interface
– Roland TD12 kit with various Roland Cymbal and Pad upgrades- Just a 5 piece kit with 3 cymbals and 1 single kick pedal (no crazy quad pumping)
– I’m playing the kit “live” through the TD-12
– Fresh and full install of SD3
– Sound libraries on External Samsung USB 3 SSD – This drive is only used to hold the SD3 sound library

Symptom:
– When playing “hard and fast” audio gets very jittery on a pretty consistent basis.
– Processor utilization hangs around 60% when playing “normal” and 88%-92% when playing at a faster rate with more fills – seems to get worse with lots of cymbals(?)

Other Info:
– I’ve played with the Buffer up to 1024. 1024 creates too much latency. Not sure I’m noticing much difference in jitter. Maybe less with 1024 but latency is way too high.
– Changing Buffer doesn’t seem to impact the processor utilization a whole lot.

Any thoughts, and any other info I can help with?

Thanks John.
– Bill

PS: Do you want me to move this to a different thread since its off topic? Thx.

2015 MacBook Pro: 16/512ssd, EZ2, SD2, SD3

[John]

Hi Bill,

I also have an i7 Macbook Pro, though it’s the 15″ Retina), but I have not experienced that kind of CPU stress when running standalone.
I have used Mbox Pro 3 and a KORG padKONTROL as MIDI interfaces with Mbox Pro 3 and UA Apollo Twin MkII as Audio interfaces and have been able to set Buffer to 64 samples with no problems.
If you go into your Mac’s Audio/MIDI Setup and check the sample rate for your Plantronics Device, what is it set to?
Preferably, you should have an ASIO Audio Interface.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[wphall]

Hey John- Sorry for the delay. I had to do a bunch of travel and just finally got behind the kit last night (sad).

No clue why, but I sat down last night and banged away. No problems. No clue why as I “didn’t” change anything from the previous settings. Worked fine.

If this changes, I’ll probably open a different thread in the right section. But its working great.

Thx!
– Bill

2015 MacBook Pro: 16/512ssd, EZ2, SD2, SD3

[John]

Did you perhaps update your OS to 10.13.5?

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[wphall]

Howdy John- I have not (still on 10.13.4). Is this a question to search for why it’s working or a question of caution against updating?

THx!

2015 MacBook Pro: 16/512ssd, EZ2, SD2, SD3

[John]

Well, personally I updated to 10.13.4 and got worse performance out of my MBP but I’m a Pro Tools user, so this may not apply. It got better again when I updated to 10.13.5, that’s why I asked.

BR,
John

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Amps]

My library failed to install properly on superior drummer 3. Can t seem to find d it.

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MIDI file for both EZdrummer 1, 2, and

Superior Drummer must be LOCATED inside

the EZdrummer folder, which is located by default in:

 

(Mac)  MacHD/Library/Application Support/EZDrummer   or

(PC 32 and 64bit)  C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Toontrack\EZDrummer

 

If you have upgraded from EZdrummer 1 they will be in:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Toontrack\EZDrummer

 

IF THIS FOLDER ….IN THE SPECIFIC NEEDED PLACE IS MISSING…….then

YOU CREATE

Toontrack\EZDrummer  (empty) FILES  INSIDE

(PC 32 and 64bit)  C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files  

AND COPY-PASTE INSIDE the created EZDrummer FOLDER THE FILE

MIDI  (((which comes with all(any) midi-grooves collections))))

 

Then open your SUPERIOR DRUMMER , click groove section, and the program will  scan all these midi-grooves files you just pasted ( which are inside MIDI file)   that is all…..ALL MIDI STYLES GROOVES BECOME BROWSER-AVAILABLE inside Superior Drummer opened program

 

Operating system: Windows 7

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