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Triggering SD3 with Roland TD-25 - volume too low....can't get volume high enough to be usable
October 3, 2017
5:19 pm CEST
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Derek Schaaf
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John said
Hi,

SD3 Core content is much more dynamic and not as 'cranked' as e.g. the EZdrummer 2 Pop/Rock EZX.
Also, it depends on if you are using a 'clean' mixer or not.
I think you will notice a difference from the Default preset and clean kits if you select e.g. the 'Radio Rock Yamaha' or 'Magnetic Tape' presets, which are processed with EQ, Comp, etc.

BR,
John  

I did try "Radio Rock Yamaha" and everything is quite a bit louder. Thx

October 5, 2017
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John said
Hi,

SD3 Core content is much more dynamic and not as 'cranked' as e.g. the EZdrummer 2 Pop/Rock EZX.
Also, it depends on if you are using a 'clean' mixer or not.
I think you will notice a difference from the Default preset and clean kits if you select e.g. the 'Radio Rock Yamaha' or 'Magnetic Tape' presets, which are processed with EQ, Comp, etc.

BR,
John  

So why did Nick D'Virgillio say dial in the preset and away you go making music. He was swappiing drums all sorts of things with zero problems. Are you saying those without a Roland TD-50 got some work to do before we get to play at a nominal volume. As a Roland TD-15 owner That is pretty disturbing to be honest. My out of the box experience (Windows 10 I5 3570k 16 gigs of ram samsung evo 840 ssd Realtek Hi Definition sound) is abysmal at this present time. I have yet to see a video that addresses my problem, would love to be pointed in that direction thanks.

October 7, 2017
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Darren Simpson said

So why did Nick D'Virgillio say dial in the preset and away you go making music. He was swappiing drums all sorts of things with zero problems. Are you saying those without a Roland TD-50 got some work to do before we get to play at a nominal volume. As a Roland TD-15 owner That is pretty disturbing to be honest. My out of the box experience (Windows 10 I5 3570k 16 gigs of ram samsung evo 840 ssd Realtek Hi Definition sound) is abysmal at this present time. I have yet to see a video that addresses my problem, would love to be pointed in that direction thanks.  

I agree, it is completely unusable at this point! I have requested a refund until this issue is resolved. I was told that they cannot refund once the product has been registered however I said that should not apply for a product that is not working properly/ not functioning as described.

October 9, 2017
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Hi,
I use SD2 with a TD-50 (via Roland USB + ASIO Driver) and everything works fine - the volume and trigger sensitivity as well - without any "special" settings.
If I use SD3 with the TD-50 I have the same volume problems as described by Derek: The output volume is unusable low and a click to virtual instrument with my mouse, it is SUPER loud.
I figured out that the trigger sensitivity seems NOT to be the problem: For example - if I hit the snare, the TD-50 shows the same velocity value as the SD3 MIDI monitor!
Nevertheless, If I change the velocity curve in SD3 for each single instrument, it works better, but this can be only a workaround!
Any thoughts / comments from your side?

Greetings,
Thorsten

October 15, 2017
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Hi,

I have adjusted the velocity curve as suggested by support, and although t does get a bit louder, it is still not really loud enough to be usable. What I am noticing when I look at the MIDI monitor for example is that when I am hitting the kick drum ( Literally as hard as I can) it is only registering velocities in the high 50s and mid 60s…on one sample and 50’s - 80’s on the other.

Shouldn’t it be a lot higher than that?

Thanks,
Derek

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October 15, 2017
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This is our open E-drum workshop forum where you discuss making
your own drum pads and tweaking drum modules. Which might be
fine for your posts. But if you expect support for SD3 you should post
in the SD3 support forum:

https://www.toontrack.com/forum/superior-drummer-3-help/

October 15, 2017
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Thank you. I wasn't aware that this wasn't the SD3 support forum. I will look to move it over.

Thanks,
D

November 5, 2017
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Hi,

Any update on this as I'm having the same problem using a Roland TD30 to trigger SD3? The output volume is really low despite correct velocity midi input into SD3.

Help!

Thanks,
Chris

November 6, 2017
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Lukas Grumet
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SAME HERE!
I am using a Roland TD30 and a Windows Laptop...SD3 just won't play back loud enough. I've cranked up the audio output to max level. Still not loud enough. To be honest it's almost useless if it stays that way.

November 7, 2017
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No response yet and I have asked ToonTrack for a refund as I am going to have to go to another product in the meantime as this is unusable.

D

November 7, 2017
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Derek Schaaf said
Hi,

I have adjusted the velocity curve as suggested by support, and although t does get a bit louder, it is still not really loud enough to be usable. What I am noticing when I look at the MIDI monitor for example is that when I am hitting the kick drum ( Literally as hard as I can) it is only registering velocities in the high 50s and mid 60s…on one sample and 50’s - 80’s on the other.

Shouldn’t it be a lot higher than that?

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Yeah it should be way higher 127 to be exact, did you try adjust the Trig Sens on the pad in the module, Its just a tweak away, and sometimes needed.
Don't expect that the Roland will convey the same velocity to an outside engine as it does with its own. Set some velocities up to 12-18 to get some oomph.

November 7, 2017
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juicy said

Yeah it should be way higher 127 to be exact, did you try adjust the Trig Sens on the pad in the module, Its just a tweak away, and sometimes needed.
Don't expect that the Roland will convey the same velocity to an outside engine as it does with its own. Set some velocities up to 12-18 to get some oomph.  

Yes, exactly. To get suitable MIDI from the brain of our Roland TD-30, we had to make adjustments in its setup,
from either/both the Roland pads or from Roland Triggers sent from our DW acoustic kit.

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November 8, 2017
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Derek Schaaf wrote:

>No response yet ...

And I repeat myself:

This is our open E-drum workshop forum where you discuss making
your own drum pads and tweaking drum modules. Which might be
fine for your posts. But if you expect support for SD3 you should post
in the SD3 support forum:

https://www.toontrack.com/forum/superior-drummer-3-help/

November 9, 2017
6:53 pm CEST
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hi again. at least for TD-30 (and most likely all Roland modules that have an USB port, i.E the TD-50) owners there seems to be an easy fix for the volume problem:
I've posted this in the latency thread as well because it also fixed my latency issue I had:

Try connecting your Sound Module to your Computer via the USB port. (directly, not via an external interface). Fire up SD3, Open the Audio Midi settings. Select the TD30 as your midi device (make sure you've enabled midi usb in your TD30 module settings), AND select the TD30 as your audio (ASIO) device.
there you go. I get crystal clear, super loud sound with this method. (your headphones need to go into your TD-30 module jack of course)
btw the td30 also comes with a nifty ASIO driver with some settings to play with. just hit the ASIO button under audio device in SD3.

November 9, 2017
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Lukas Grumet said
Try connecting your Sound Module to your Computer via the USB port. (directly, not via an external interface).
Fire up SD3, Open the Audio Midi settings.
Select the TD30 as your midi device (make sure you've enabled midi usb in your TD30 module settings),
AND select the TD30 as your audio (ASIO) device.

How were you connecting the TD-30 module to control SD3 previously?

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November 10, 2017
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Scott E said

Lukas Grumet said
Try connecting your Sound Module to your Computer via the USB port. (directly, not via an external interface).
Fire up SD3, Open the Audio Midi settings.
Select the TD30 as your midi device (make sure you've enabled midi usb in your TD30 module settings),
AND select the TD30 as your audio (ASIO) device.

How were you connecting the TD-30 module to control SD3 previously?  

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November 15, 2017
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Guys it sounds like you are routing sd3 to TD50 over usb audio.. is that right? I did it this way and all kits were way too low until I boosted the usb audio gain in setup l midi page l usb tab. I mapped it to the song pot and can now easily boost the sd3 output on my headphones. Have you tried that?

November 15, 2017
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Derek Schaaf
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Lukas Grumet said
hi again. at least for TD-30 (and most likely all Roland modules that have an USB port, i.E the TD-50) owners there seems to be an easy fix for the volume problem:
I've posted this in the latency thread as well because it also fixed my latency issue I had:

Try connecting your Sound Module to your Computer via the USB port. (directly, not via an external interface). Fire up SD3, Open the Audio Midi settings. Select the TD30 as your midi device (make sure you've enabled midi usb in your TD30 module settings), AND select the TD30 as your audio (ASIO) device.
there you go. I get crystal clear, super loud sound with this method. (your headphones need to go into your TD-30 module jack of course)
btw the td30 also comes with a nifty ASIO driver with some settings to play with. just hit the ASIO button under audio device in SD3.  

Thanks for the info! What about on a MacBook Pro? Is there an ASIO driver option in the Mac OS… I was under the understanding that there wasn't.

Thanks,
D

November 16, 2017
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Lukas Grumet said
btw the td30 also comes with a nifty ASIO driver with some settings to play with. just hit the ASIO button under audio device in SD3.  

I just did some tests with the Roland ASIO drivers and compared it to ASIA4ALL using WASAPI. With the Roland ASIO drivers the latency increases by 6 ms. I wouldn't call this "nifty".

Regards Reiner

November 16, 2017
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Derek Schaaf said

Thanks for the info! What about on a MacBook Pro? Is there an ASIO driver option in the Mac OS… I was under the understanding that there wasn't.

Thanks,
D  

You don’t need a special Asio driver on a Mac book pro. Or on any Mac. On your Mac search for the midi setup app. This will allow you to configure connected midi input and output devices

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