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Triggering SD3 with Roland TD-25 - volume too low....can't get volume high enough to be usable
September 26, 2017
12:22 pm CEST
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Derek Schaaf
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Hi,

I am triggering SD3 with my Roland TD-25 and finding that the volume is way too low....can't get output volume (either MacBook Pro of Focusrite 8i6) high enough to be usable. I have tried both USB out of the TD-25 into my MacBook Pro as well midi out of the TD-25 and into a focusrite 8i6 and then usb in MacBook. In both cases it is triggering the virtual instruments and I have volume maxed on the Mackbook pro and on the 8i6 but the output volume is super low. If however I click the virtual instrument with my mouse, it is SUPER loud. Any thoughts on how to increase the output???

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Derek

September 26, 2017
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When you hit your e-drums, what velocities are being sent to Superior Drummer 3? Check in the MIDI Monitor (a property box right side of drums), or use the analyzer if you are in the MIDI IN/E-drums settings page. When you preview a drum by clicking the interface, it will preview 126-127 (max) velocity...

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September 26, 2017
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Hi Henrik,

If I see that the velocities are low....do I adjust a level upwards via a certain setting OR does that mean I need to strike the drum head harder? 🙂

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Derek

September 26, 2017
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I saw your post and checked out my Roland TD-25 set with SD3 and the situation is the same here... the volume when triggering with the TD-25 set is very low.

September 27, 2017
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Derek Schaaf said
Hi Henrik,

If I see that the velocities are low....do I adjust a level upwards via a certain setting OR does that mean I need to strike the drum head harder? 🙂

Thanks,
Derek  

That is totally up to you, and how the e-kit is reacting to your hits 🙂 You can try to change the velocity curve for the drums (in Settings / "MIDI In/E-drums"). There you can adjust it so a harder hit will be triggered even if you don't hit the drum so hard. You can do this for individual articulations, individual drums, or multiple drums at once.

September 27, 2017
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Thanks Henrik,

What would be another way to increase overall output volume? As I mentioned a mouse click of the drum is significantly definitely quite a bit louder (and you noted by default that strike at a 127 velocity) but it is still not "that" loud when listening through headphones with my MacBook Pro 2017 at max volume. Is there something else I should be bumping up as far as overall output?

Thanks,
Derek

September 27, 2017
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This is maybe a phanomenon . . . . I always have the same Problem by using just the sounds form the module without SD.
When I playback a Songpattern from my Roland TD-30 to check out a specific Set in my Bank, the Set sounds much louder as if it l is played live with my Sticks.
Even if I hit the hell out of the drumset. Nobody could give me a Assertion so far . . . . .

September 28, 2017
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Derek Schaaf said
Thanks Henrik,

What would be another way to increase overall output volume? As I mentioned a mouse click of the drum is significantly definitely quite a bit louder (and you noted by default that strike at a 127 velocity) but it is still not "that" loud when listening through headphones with my MacBook Pro 2017 at max volume. Is there something else I should be bumping up as far as overall output?

Thanks,
Derek  

First - check the audio interface's levels - if there are any volumes that can be raised there.

To increase the overall output of Superior Drummer 3 you can always raise the individual microphone channels and busses, and/or use compressors, limiters, eq etc (tips on mixing techniques to make stuff louder is easily found on Google) . Be aware of not making the channels too loud (led meters getting red when hitting the roof) - this can cause distortion of the sound in the end. Further - the "loudness war" is also a thing to avoid - cranking things up so much with limiters and compressors that you loose dynamics...

September 28, 2017
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Ok thanks!

September 28, 2017
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This problem seems to be something related to how Roland V Drums are reacting with Superior Drummer 3.
I have various drum programs ( AD2, BFD3, N.I. Studio Drummer) and this problem of low volume when triggering SD3 with the TD-25 setup only happens when using SD3.
I also have EZ Drummer 2 and I just tested my TD-25 Roland set with EZ Drummer 2 and there is no volume problem when triggering with the TD-25 setup.
I only having the volume problem when triggering SD3...

September 28, 2017
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Update - After testing the TD-25 Roland set with EZ Drummer 2 - I switched back to SD3 and the volume problem was gone - sounds as it should.

September 28, 2017
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wow, interesting...thanks! I have EZD2 as well and will check it out.

1. Did you change any settings at all on the TD-25 when going between the 2?
2. Are you on a Mac or PC?
3. Also, are you going from the TD-25 usb out into your computer or using the midi out into a midi interface and then usb to computer.

Thanks,
D

September 29, 2017
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UPDATE:
I just tested with EX Drummer 2 and it sounds much better, volume is as expected. When I go back to SD3 it is super quite again. I noticed if I try different drum presses in SD3.....some are quite a bit louder.

October 2, 2017
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I also find SD3 very quiet with my Roland TD12, however, when they are played with SDX's & EZX's it is loud/perfect.
So it's just seems SD3 & it's kits are very low for some odd reason. I have to crank everything up a lot.
Would be nice to get better volume from SD3.

Kim

October 2, 2017
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Hi,

SD3 Core content is much more dynamic and not as 'cranked' as e.g. the EZdrummer 2 Pop/Rock EZX.
Also, it depends on if you are using a 'clean' mixer or not.
I think you will notice a difference from the Default preset and clean kits if you select e.g. the 'Radio Rock Yamaha' or 'Magnetic Tape' presets, which are processed with EQ, Comp, etc.

BR,
John

October 2, 2017
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Ok, thanks for the explanation John 🙂

Kim

October 2, 2017
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There should also be and over all midi volume, just like in Ez Drummer 2 at the bottom of the page on the right.
Just don't crank it to loud or you will get distortion.EZ-Drummer-2.jpgImage Enlarger

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October 2, 2017
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Derek Schaaf
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John said
Hi,

SD3 Core content is much more dynamic and not as 'cranked' as e.g. the EZdrummer 2 Pop/Rock EZX.
Also, it depends on if you are using a 'clean' mixer or not.
I think you will notice a difference from the Default preset and clean kits if you select e.g. the 'Radio Rock Yamaha' or 'Magnetic Tape' presets, which are processed with EQ, Comp, etc.

BR,
John  

Thanks John!

October 3, 2017
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@ Derek - My computer is a Windows machine... When I switched between EZ Drummer 2 & Superior Drummer 3 I did not change any settings at all.

October 3, 2017
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RuffRider said
@ Derek - My computer is a Windows machine... When I switched between EZ Drummer 2 & Superior Drummer 3 I did not change any settings at all.  

Thanks 🙂

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