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Flaming -> Superior Drummer Clips The Channel - Help (Dec.-4th-2010 7:19:47)

I'm using Toontrack Superior Drummer with The Metal Foundry SDX. I load a midi groove from its own library (straight 4/4, hats open variation, variation 04), using the default configuration for everything and the signal output (I check the Cubase 5 channel strip input meter) is at -1.7db
Great!!!

Using the same midi groove with any of the presets of Andy Sneap, for example the one called "Legacy", reaches 12.2db!!!! Above zero!!!!
And many of the presets included with The Metal Foundry SDX clip too!!! For example Jocke Skog, the preset called Stockholm 1990 reaches 5.3db above zero!!!
And a lot of the other presets reaches similar output levels.

How do I control this? ? ?
Given that the internal mixer from Superior does not have numerical readouts for the output of its channels (it only has faders and a blue line level indicating activity in the channel, but no real readouts), for mics, busses or outputs channels.
Even the "line level activity is only blue coloured. You can not "see" if it is near zero represented by yellow, or above zero represented by red!!!

What do I have to do to make the drums don't clip the cubase channels (or its own output)? ? ?
Yes, I know, I have to lower the volume but in which way? ? ?
From the volume fader in every "instrument" windows in the "construction" window? ? ?
From every mic channel in the mixer? ? ?
From the output of the mixer? ? ? And If I have a multi out drum? ? ?
From the Master volume from the plug in? ? ?

Sometimes I noticed that what is clipping is one "instrument" for example, the snare. But if I lower the volume to the snare, the whole drum kit gets uneven, unbalanced in volume as a whole.
So, it does not seem a way to fix the problem.

If I lower the Master volume from the plug in to make the output below zero, then it sounds very weak, very low as a whole.
I guess that what is clipping are peaks in the signal, not an RMS signal at about 10db above zero.

So, when I lower the master by 10db to not to clip the signal, the RMS signal is very low, very weak.

Again, how do I "tame" this plug in, and how do you do about this "issue"? ? ?
I guess I should put a compressor to tame the signal, but compressors are already used in the different channels in the mixer by the author of the preset. And with the loudest ones, puting a preset in the cubase channel, makes the drum pump or add artifacts not desired.

And by the way, why most of the presets made by professionals, clip the output by default? ? ?

Thanks!




dthgtr -> RE: Superior Drummer Clips The Channel - Help (Dec.-4th-2010 8:59:50)

Hello and welcome to the forum.

Right beneath the faders in the S2 mixer are the db level readouts.

Later.





Flaming -> RE: Superior Drummer Clips The Channel - Help (Dec.-4th-2010 20:44:06)

Hi and thank you dthgtr!

I know those readouts, but those are a readout for the faders (like -10 to 10 so to speak) not a readout of the actual signal level shown.
And If those readout are for signal level, then why professionals made presets with the signal at +4db for kicks etc, when you know that anything above 0 will clip? ? ?

And what's more important, how do I fix it to load a preset and make the drum kit not clip my DAW? ? ?




dthgtr -> RE: Superior Drummer Clips The Channel - Help (Dec.-5th-2010 0:13:35)

I know there is a thread around here somewhere that actually does address why some presets are hot.
You will have to do a search for it.If I come across it I'll post a link for it.

If you find a preset you like but have to adjust the levels you can save that as a new preset (sec. 3.7 in the manual).

Later.




Flaming -> RE: Superior Drummer Clips The Channel - Help (Dec.-5th-2010 3:31:14)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dthgtr

I know there is a thread around here somewhere that actually does address why some presets are hot.
You will have to do a search for it.If I come across it I'll post a link for it.


I am trying to find something with no luck so far... please, if you could point me in the right direction would be awesome!

That clipping issue is a real PITA!!!




Scott -> RE: Superior Drummer Clips The Channel - Help (Dec.-5th-2010 4:28:24)

See this thread:

http://www.toontrack.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=92549




Flaming -> RE: Superior Drummer Clips The Channel - Help (Dec.-5th-2010 6:18:08)

I will look into it!

Thanks!




scott_kendall1 -> RE: Superior Drummer Clips The Channel - Help (Apr.-26th-2011 18:13:53)

Hi
I want to be able to read this link but access denied.
I am trying to find out why the signal is so hot.
If i have the fader set to 0 in SD 2.0 and sent to a channel in my daw and trigger a hit it clips the channel I have to turn the ez mixer main fader down to about -18db.
Maybe i am missing something?
Thanks
Scott




lekteri -> RE: Superior Drummer Clips The Channel - Help (Jan.-8th-2014 18:34:06)

I would like to know why some presets are so hot and clips but i cannot acces in the private area. Why?




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